Megan:
So we’re gonna start from the beginning, because whilst you share some of your snippets on social media and people see you at shows, you don’t actually talk about where you have come from or when this started for you. So going right back to the beginning when you worked as a road worker, how did you come across your psychic abilities? How did they appear for you?
David:
Great question. This is going to be great.
When I was in road working construction, it began when I was about 16. I was always intrigued by the subject, tarot cards, angel cards. And my mom used to read cards for her friends, only close friends or for herself. And I remember when I reached the age of 16, I said to my mom, there’s a psychic fair around the corner from where we lived in Tipton. And my mom was like, yeah, you’re old enough now, I can take you.
And we went there and I think it was like, back then it was like five pound for like 10 minutes or whatever it was for a quick reading and they had all different, you know, as you can expect now it’s a psychic fair or a spiritual fair, but you know, that kind of set up. And my mom had a reading with the lady and when I was sitting there, I remember the lady saying all these things. I remember looking at my mom like, wow, that was a bit specific about dad and family things.
And she said to the lady, she said to me, do you want your cards doing? And I remember saying to the lady, no, because back then, you know, I was an apprentice in a different job. This was actually before I got into construction. And. She said, well, I’m sure she did them for free. Also, maybe my mom paid, I can’t recall, but I could have swore that she’d done them for free and. She read my cards and she was like, Dave, you’re going to help people all over the world now. Back then, I was at a place of, the only way you can be out there back then, when I was like 16, would be on like ITV, BBC, you know, Sky wasn’t really a big thing. It was like, you know, Sky, when it had like 20 channels or whatever it was. So I thought, oh yeah, pull the other one, you know? And then also, you know, I thought like, it was some kind of like witch cult. I didn’t fully understand it. I was intrigued, but I didn’t fully understand it. So anyway, I’ll kind of dismiss what the lady said.
And then over the next year or I think it was a year and a half or a couple of years when I did get into construction, I saw a couple more ladies in between and they all said the same thing and said they all said I would help people around the world. And that’s when the journey began. That’s when I remember going back to my mom and saying, you know, I remember going to this reading with this lady and I come back and I went, mom, this is like the third lady who said the same things. And my mom was like, what can you read for me? and I ended up telling my mom things about her family, obviously mine as well, but I’ve never met my Nan. My Grandad, I was like one or two when he passed away, so my mom’s side of the family I didn’t really know much of. So when I started bombarding my mom with all this information, she was like, Dave, this is, you know, deep, and then I ended up telling my mom, her mom’s name, and then…
you know, there was a lot more, there was a lot to it. And that’s where the journey began for me. And that was where, you know, you know, when you’ve got a, you’ve got an itch, you’ve got to scratch, it always sat there with me. So even though I was going to work, I was always like, what these ladies have said to me, these women have said to me, all different ladies, different occasions, I thought there’s got to be something more, there’s, you know.
Megan:
So in that period of time then, from going with your mum and the first lady for example saying to you that you were going to reach these people, was that the defining moment when your curiosity went from a curiosity to I absolutely have to do this or was there any other specific turning point that made you then want to pursue that path?
David:
No I think it was what the ladies had said to me and the reading that I did from my mum, I think that was the turning point for me, I think what the ladies said to me kind of guided to then push me onto this path. And the reason I say that is because I, I got hit by a car when I was 14 and my best friend from school saw it and he said it was like watching, he said, I thought I was watching my best friend die. And he said, you know, you tossed up in the air, landed on the front of the bonnet, windscreen, rolled off the car. And he said, and I just stood there. And this was outside the Black Country Museum in Tipton where I used to live.
And, you know, it’s just one of those things that happened, unfortunately. But I try not to dramatize it. And I remember having this moment of like being, let’s call it an out of body experience. I don’t wanna dramatize it. I don’t wanna, you know, because I think there’s a lot of that that goes on and I don’t want to do that. But I remember like looking down at myself. I felt like I was looking down at myself and I could see myself, you know. And…
Um, I was looking down at myself. I.
Sorry, I’ve lost track of where I’m going with this now. I was looking down at myself, I saw myself, and then it was just, you know, I had this moment of waking up, and then when I did the reading for my mom, I remember having the same feeling I had when I got hit by the car, as if somebody had saved me. Okay. You know. So that was the moment that you, so you had the curiosity, you’d been given these messages from the ladies. Yeah. You got run over by the car.
which was previous to… So that was previous to the ladies old case. So I was 14 when I got hit by the car, dismissed it, didn’t dive into it or anything else. And then when I was 16, I was like, oh, I wanna go into it. But when I got hit by the car and I said, I was above myself and I could see everything, I had this warmth feeling of, again, don’t wanna dramatise it, this warmth feeling of now is not your time. And I didn’t see anybody, hear anybody, I just had this feeling, this sense of knowing.
And like in my own head, it was like somebody was telling me, this isn’t your time. And I just sort of flashed a white light. And I remember waking up being like, oh my goodness, you know, what was that? And I dismissed it. And then when I was 16 and went back to my mom and after these couple of readings, so 16, the first one, about 17, 18, the last one. Right. And when I was reading from my mom, I got the same feeling I had when I got it by the car in terms of that feeling of now is not your time. And I was like, oh no.
No way, that must have been my nan. You’d already felt that before. I’d already felt that before, and I feel like that was my nan coming through, who saved me. And that’s what got my attention, because what I felt, and then I thought, well, if I can feel this and do this for my mom, who else can I do it for? And I remember joining, I started at a spiritual church. I literally went for a year or maybe two to push, but that was in between construction work, so.
It wasn’t like a permanent thing, but I just felt it wasn’t for me, that path of like the spiritual. And then also not only that, I felt that, you know, I was really confused with it all and I was really embarrassed and, you know, because I thought, well, what are people gonna think of me, you know, and the stigma attached to it. And I used to carry this like burden, I used to just wanna be normal. So I just carry on going out with the lads or doing whatever I was doing, you know, having fun.
not wanting to associate myself with it in some respects. And then, yeah.
Megan:
So was it something that you felt you had to hide from other people?
David:
Yeah, 100%. It really was because I think back then, if you look, it was all of women, like a woman-based thing without sounding sexist or anything else. It was all to do with women. And then, you know, crystal balls, people had this perception of, and I think that still goes on to this day. And I was just…
really in a place of.
unsure what to make of it all. But then even though I was going out with the lads, even though I was going in construction, being around, as you can imagine, men’s men, let’s call them that, behind the scenes I was still doing it. I was still like dabbling with the cards or like, you know, I mean, my mom and dad built, we had a big, like a room basically built at the bottom of the garden because my mom wanted me to pursue it.
and you know, it weren’t just for that, she had it for her own space as well because I’m one of five so we come from a big family and yeah, my mom always pushed me and she’d always say to me, why am I not doing readings, why am you not doing readings and I remember I used to read from my mom’s friends and the joy that came when they would pop around the house or you know, we’d go in that studio or I would like
popp to their house and I remember reading for one of my mum’s friends and I don’t want to be saying names. There was one lady that all like she had a reading with me and she went I remember saying to my mum she said Maxine and this lady was well into the subject and she said David she went I and she my mum come into the room after we’d finished and she went she went Max she said with Maxine my mum she said and I remember it she was like Max she says this kid’s got it.
he’s got it and she went and I’ve had readings from plenty of people established she went he’s by far the best at it. Now again I don’t, it’s easy for me to say this now because it sounds really egotistical and it sounds like oh my who does it and I just don’t want to come across that way I never have done but I’m just saying that these little things that people are saying to me and then I remember one of my mom’s friends come round her husband was absolutely against it I remember my mom saying this has got to be like kept well I never told anybody anyway you know
and her disabled, I think it was disabled, grandson come through. And it really upset me and it made me realize that this work isn’t about me. It’s not about… It kind of took me away from me and my ego. It took me away from, you know, I’m making this about me, about the way that I look. I, you know, I’m scared of what everybody’s gonna say about me, but then what about the people that I’m helping? Like maybe this is why I’m here, to help people.
and it really changed my whole perspective. And I thought, what I’m seeing, feeling and hearing, look, you just can’t make up, you just cannot make up. And it drove me forward. And yet I’ve had my ups and downs in terms of, even after this period, I went through a period of like, not wanting to, and my mom had still pushed me and she’d say, Dave, you’re done with it. And you know, I’d be working away or.
you know dealing with them then I come back and the hours was long you know they always say on the road that you know what time you’re leaving but you never know what time you’re coming home and that’s the truest statement ever when you were in construction you know you haven’t got a set time it’s like you’re there until until you’re finished or until the job’s done and it’s had its perks and you know you’d have days where you’d finished it you’d get there and be like oh we can’t lay today or whatever it was and you’d think in that state that you know you get home and do readings but
if anything, I was just that tired from being up at like four or five AM or, you know, but then, yeah,
Megan:
So, with you describing how you had to keep things kind of under wraps from certain people or you were worried about how people were going to perceive it, did you feel like you were having to live like two separate lives?
David:
Yeah, yeah.
Megan:
So how did you combat that? How did you come out the other side? What was the turning point for you to then take it full time?
David:
So I met a lad called DJ who’s a professional footballer. And I’m not name dropping or anything like that, but me and him become literally best friends. And we still keep in touch now. We’re still good friends now, even though he lives in another country. But either way, and. I remember.
that we went out on a night out and we was having such a great time. And a guy come past and I said, oh, I’m not very football savvy.
But anyway, just going back on the subject. So when we was, when we was chatting, this guy come over and he said, you know, like this, this guy come over and I said, Oh, is that another footballer? And he was in great shape. And he said, yeah, he said, um, but he never really pursued it. He had so much potential. And he said, he never pursued it.
and he said that’s one thing that really irritates me is when somebody’s got like a talent or a gift or an ability that they never pushy and I looked at him and he didn’t know about my readings then and I remember looking at him like he just hit me the like it took me back to when I helped that lady with a disabled son that come through and I thought what am I doing? like what am I doing? like I’m sitting here
Sorry, it’s making me a bit emotional. Sorry. Making me emotional here, innit? Wow, that’s caught me off guard. Sorry. I remember just like, what am I doing? And I looked at him and I said to him, I said, day, I said, um…
Are you… You know, I do this work and I put aside and he went Well, why aren’t you doing it then? He says, what’s the matter with you? And we had a chat all the way home Drunken chat And he… I was like, what am I doing? Like I’m wasting all this time Worrying so much about me and my ego
who I am, how I look. That I’m missing the point of what I’m here to do and I’m missing the point of what this works about. And I say it now at all my shows, and I say it now live on air and I say it to all my followers and listeners that.
I’m so grateful, but just because I’ve done a big show or I’ve done, you know, a read for celebrities or a reading for just the average Joe or whoever it may be. This work is not about me. And there’s another lesson I learned in this that really did kick me up the backside. But that’s where it really began for me in terms of, yeah, and I was about…
I was in mid-20s, late-20s, something like that, where I just said, and I remember the next day, I set up a Facebook page and I was like, here you go, this is who I am. And nobody, the worst part about it was, nobody was interested, nobody bothered, nobody said, oh my God, Dave, you do that? A lot of people said to me, oh yeah, I knew you did, because you read for my mom. Or, you know, and I remember my one friend, Ben, I remember him saying, oh yeah, I knew about that, I just go, he said,
some person had told him, he said, but you never mentioned it, so I never did. And then I was like, oh my goodness.
Megan:
So do you feel like some of that hiding from it was your fear about the subject or your kind of not understanding of the full subject until you were kind of given the lesson that you needed to put you on that path?
David:
Great question, there’s a lot for me to answer there, Meg. So all of that and more, you know.
I needed to, yeah, I needed to understand the subject, but I needed to realize that this work isn’t all about me. And it wasn’t easy. And I tell this story at my live shows. I’d literally just started building momentum. I’d just moved from my mom and dad’s, moved to Kingswinford. And a lady messaged me and she was like, Hi Dave, I’m H.
I’m interested in reading, I’ve heard that you do them. Can you tell me the time, the place, and how much, and I’ll be there?” She went, by the way, I’m very skeptical. And I always say, you know, I make a joke about this at all my live shows when I mention it, that you don’t need to be a psychic medium, but some people that message me, you can just tell that they’re that way inclined and that’s okay. And so she come, and…
she started to get upset and then it went from somebody like a little bit of emotion to then somebody that’s like hysterical and at this point i’ve got this big head of like yeah look at me look at me and i don’t mean in in a bad i just meant like these ladies come from a skeptical point of view and then here’s me it’s in the nail on the head because she’s so emotional so i’m like oh i i do mean it that like you know i’m doing it from a good place i’m doing it from like you know
But there was that ego there and you know, look at me, look, oh, you know, you’ve come with this skepticism and look what I’m saying to you. Cut a long story short, we terminated it, we stopped the reading because the person that I was communicating with was her ex-mother-in-law and she asked me to stop the reading. She just literally got up and left the house. And I remember following, but I was that afraid and that nervous. I remember looking through the…
key, the peephole, the door on my door, it had like, the people that you can see through to see who’s at the door. And I was looking through there and I was, and I remember watching again to a corner, I was like, oh my goodness, like what do I do in this situation? This lady just got up and gone. I was devastated. And this big head of like, oh, look at me, look at me, soon literally shriveled and went. And it was like, oh my goodness. And…
It was like the worst but the best experience. The worst part is because I didn’t know how to handle that at that time. And that’s where I didn’t have no experience. But the best part is it really confirmed to me, Dave, get your ego and check. I don’t care like about the skepticism about being right, being wrong. It’s not about, you know, getting that big pat on the back, getting that, you know, it’s about helping people. And that’s what I wanna do.
And that’s what I always strive to do. And it’s not about the big, oh, look at me. Look, and again, it just, yeah. So, gonna be deep here.
Megan:
So, they’re great answers to these questions. So you’ve, you have come a long way since the early days of you doing your readings and connecting for people’s loved ones. And you’ve even sold out shows in the West End. That’s how far you have come. You know, what was that experience like for you?
David:
Which, part, selling out the West End.
Megan:
Selling out the West End, being on a West End stage compared to that feeling way back when, where you didn’t want to tell anybody what you do. How does that feel for you?
David:
I just never think about it now, you know. It’s chalk and cheese, obviously.
Megan: But when somebody says to you, you sold out your own West End show, not anybody else’s show, your own show, how did that make you feel?
David:
I’ve never thought about it before. I am happy.
And I’m very proud. And if we were to go back, I’d give my younger self a hug and say, you’ve got this, you know, through the hard times and the times where, you know, even through COVID, when I’ve never ever felt so low in all my years, never, ever, never felt so alone and, oh, this is quite intense, Meg. Um, these are some things I don’t normally talk about.
Covid really opened my eyes. It opened my eyes because I started, I got furloughed, so I was able to do readings around the world and I realised thick and fast like how much this can spread. You know, my readings and stuff and how much the potential is there. So yeah, yeah, just yeah.
Megan:
So suppose in a way, when you’re reading for people like celebrities, did you ever see it going that way?
David:
I think I always had like a firm belief and again like I say with the West End, yeah it’s a great thing and you know I know that there’s more to come and everything else but again I think that I always keep my ego in check, it’s like okay that’s great, you know, but I just tend not to think of it’s just what’s next, you know, just keep pushing forward and just take each day to come, but whether it’s a person one to one, a select whatever it is, I take them all just as serious.
Yeah, and I think I always had a belief, and I think it was like from the early days, a lot of reading from my mom’s friends and reading for that lady with a disabled, you know, I think it was a grandson that come through and a few things that, you know, that built up and I just felt like, you know, I mean, when I was out with like my friend and we’d be around, I don’t know, football or celebrities, whatever, I just, I never thought, oh my God, I’m with this person. I just kept it. They’re just people.
Exactly. And I just felt comfortable and just relaxed and just, you know, no ego attached or… Yeah.
Megan:
Nice. So yes, you have read for some celebrities. We’ve mentioned it a couple of times, but some people might not know that you actually appeared on national TV. Yes. On a show called Game of Attraction. Yeah. Tell us all about it. How did you, how did that even come about?
David: Well, this goes back to a guy that I want to give a massive shout out to, which is Bob through the hard times over the, me and Bob have built a relationship over 10 years. And from the moment we spoke, he has become a lot to me. And through my good days, my bad days, the to get me where I need to be, opening to, there’s just so much and I’m so, so grateful to Bob. Look, so grateful. And I’ve given a lot of shout out to other people, like family and stuff, but Bob has been a solid rock for me still is to this day. So if you’re listening, Bob, thank you. He’s a great music. I mean, how good is he as well? I mean, every time I every time I phone and like it’ll be like, oh, he’s playing on this guitar today or he’s playing on this piece of kit today or he’s got this new kit. But anyway. So how did he get you onto that show then? How did that come about? So me and Bob, Bob, me and Bob filmed a couple of readings ourselves, we were going to start our own show and kind of send it out.
and we got in touch with Made TV. Bob, we got in there, we spoke to them about the idea, the premise and everything else. The guy was really, really keen. And then he says, we’ve got a really big show coming up, which is gonna go out national. And we would love to have Dave on board with you. Now the original plan was that I’m gonna go there and get a feeling of like, who’s real, who’s not, who’s genuine, who’s not.
and it just ended up being there. I’ve become like a co-host with Yvie Burnett and… Just like that. George Ancorn, yeah. Literally, I just fell into it. I just literally, like we went there and it was based in Birmingham and I would be there, as you know, I’m very, very punctual. And I think even Matt’s gonna say that as well, the Burton radio. The producer is like literally, like we got here a little bit late to take the road. I was about to say that. And then as I walked in, Matt says to me,
I started to panic. I was like, I did think you might start panicking because I am literally around time. So anyway, going back to Game of Traction, we didn’t start filming till about 8 p.m. and I was there from 12 of the afternoon, right the way through. And we filmed for a whole week and we had such a fun, great time, met some fabulous people. And it just…
Yeah, it just went out and I was on Sky TV. I was like, what? You know, I remember like Bob come round my house at the time, my mom and dad and we all watched it and, you know, yeah. Was that a pinch me moment for you? A little bit, yeah, when I saw me on TV.
So when I saw myself on TV, I remember like me, but I remember Bob saying like, well, that’s one ticked off or, you know, whatever you want to call it. But yeah, if it weren’t for Bob, I wouldn’t have got that opportunity. Bob was the one that opened that door for me and introduced me to the right people. And so a massive thank you to Bob for that.
Megan:
How do you deal with sceptical people or people turning around and saying, oh, what a load of rubbish or something like that? Okay, thanks.
David:
Next. Wow cool. Do not care. And I don’t mean that like in terms of, I care but I don’t care in terms of like it’s not my job to force this on people and the same way for example with me with football as we were speaking about earlier, not a fan of football. I mean I watch it now and again if I’m playing the game that we play, the Dream Team, but apart from that I don’t like it. And you know, it’s just about.
I just stay in my lane though. I’m just like, you know, I don’t put no energy into things that are not part of me and my pool. And you know, I’m not here to try and convince people. I wanna help people. So if I do, I mean, skepticism is good because I think that, you know, there can be a lot of charlatans about, but that can be in any industry, doesn’t matter what it is. But the one thing I won’t tolerate is bad manners. And I’ve said this numerous times.
Manners don’t cost a thing and my mum and dad have always taught me that, that your please and thank yous, be grateful, all the little things, that’s priceless to me. And if you get somebody that comes with an attitude and arrogance or the, you know, I can tolerate skepticism but I won’t tolerate the bad manners and that’s where I’m just like, no, because not only are they jumping into my pool, I’m jumping into their pool and when I say pool I’m talking about energy, the world of energy.
And I don’t want that on me, I don’t want that around me. So, you know, there is a difference, but skepticism is no issue to me whatsoever. I like it. So you welcome them with open arms? With open arms to my live shows. And we do get a lot, we get a lot. And, you know, there’s a lot of males now as well that come to the shows, as you’ve seen for yourself, Meg, where they’ll be like…
you know, I come here today to try and debunk you or I come here today to try and you know, see what it’s all… and you know, and every one of the… 9 times out of 10, the men will come up to me after and shake my hand and be like… fair play. Like, you know, and that’s what it’s all about, it’s about helping people and the… there’s something more than the physical body and… but I’m not here to push it onto people and it’s just not who I am, so just stay in your lane …
That’s it for part 1, I hope you have enjoyed learning more about me. Come back next week for the next instalment and find out the answers to some curve ball questions from Megan.
Love and Blessings,
David